Galatians

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Hey everyone, how's it going?

So welcome to another podcast.

Today we're going to be talking about Galatians.

Yeah.

Excitement.

Wow.

Peter's riveted by this.

I think, is it your favorite book, Luke?

No, no, no, no.

No, it's not.

It's not my favorite book.

Is it your favorite book?

No, it's not.

You just threw me off, because in the notes you wrote, my favorite book of the Bible and why?

Yeah, that was supposed to be, what is your favorite Bible book, Peter, and why?

Well, it turns out it's not Galatians, so I don't need that.

Daniel.

Oh, it's Daniel.

Why?

Why?

Why Daniel?

Prophecy, history, mixture of both.

Love it.

Interesting.

Well, actually, I've come to discover every time we pick a Bible book to do, I find myself like increasingly loving it.

So it becomes one of my favorite Bible books, but no, I don't think Galatians is, and on the spot, I can't even think of what my favorite Bible book is.

Whichever one you're studying right now.

Yeah, exactly.

Actually looks good.

I've actually told this before.

We've already talked about this.

Seems a little bit narcissistic, but anyway.

So Galatians, context.

I'm going to read a quote.

I don't know who it's from, but it basically says that the Old Testament predicts Christ, the Gospels reveal Christ, Acts preaches Christ, the Epistles explain Christ, and Revelation points towards Christ's return.

So I found that particularly helpful.

So in this case, Galatians is a part of the Epistles.

So one of its purposes is to explain Christ.

So this is after Christ had manifest himself in human flesh, and we have the Gospels document the life of Jesus, life, death, and resurrection.

This is now the fallout of that.

And so we have the Epistles, which are explaining more of Christ, more of the new kingdom, more of this kingdom that has been ushered in by Christ and his life.

So some big, big moments are happening.

Yes, so talked about that there, about how the kingdom has been consolidated with Christ manifesting himself in human flesh, and the new covenant has been made between God and his people as sealed by the blood of Jesus.

So we are no longer under the old covenant, but now the new.

And this has been sealed.

What does the word covenant mean?

Look, how would you define that?

Covenant, I would say that is a promise made by God and his people.

And you can explain more, but a covenant made by God, you can talk about this, is contingent, well, I think you might, but I believe it is contingent solely on God.

We're there, I think you're gonna counter that.

Well, it depends which covenant you're talking about, because there's multiple ones in the Bible.

Well, I think there's five, maybe.

Yeah, well, what's the terminology?

So there's ones that are contingent.

There's the Adamic Covenant, the Abrahamic, the Noadi, Mosaic, there's all those, basically all the names of major Old Testament Bible characters.

And most of them, some of them are like one-way covenants, so I think you'd find it as like something, a promise from God.

I would say yes, however, for some of the covenants as well, there's something man has to do to fulfill them.

So it just depends on which covenant you're talking about.

But yeah, it's a promise or an agreement between God and man.

Was there terminology for that?

No, no, there's not.

No, okay, move on.

Yes, so these letters are written in the fallout of Christ's ascension and the endowment of the spear on God's people, that is at pentecost.

Thus, Paul's writings are addressed to specific churches who are running this race.

So you've got another epistle, 2 Timothy 3, says that all scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training.

So we can understand that the purpose of scripture, including this here epistle, Galatians, is useful for us in teaching us, rebuking us, correcting us, and training us in all things that are related to Christ.

So, we've never actually talked about this before, but I've just sort of thrown this grenade in for this specific epistle.

So, depending on your Biblical paradigm keyword, ours is, and I've sort of just said ours, but I sort of hope that we have the same paradigm.

I assume that we do.

You can refine it or change it.

I don't think it's going to be that different.

Ours is that this is completely the inspired and infallible word of God, that is the Bible, including Galatians.

Yet another facet of this divinely inspired work is that it is written through the artistry and creativity of humanity.

So that is the apparatus that God chooses to reveal his divine revelation through human artistry, ingenuity and creativity.

I would agree.

Cool.

Not like other religions like the Koran, well like Islam where the Koran is, I think as far as I'm aware, Muslims believe it's solely from Allah.

There's no personal aspect of it at all, whereas the Bible allows for, I think the Holy Spirit allows for human artistry, as you would say, and different writing styles.

Oh yeah.

Oh, I got it.

They actually call that Tahaid.

Tahaid, okay.

So they actually see the scriptures of the Koran.

They call that Tahaid, so that is almost eternal.

So in apologetics, Islamic apologetics struggle with the idea of if the Koran is eternal, it's almost like a god, but they only believe in one monotheistic god.

So they have to like explain that paradox of the scriptures being eternal and like a god and also god being god.

So that almost means that there's two.

Okay.

So it's to treat the scriptures as eternal.

So it's like if you burn the Koran, then like you get executed.

Nice.

But there's a lot of nuances and variations with that, and that's complicated.

That was going to be tangent there.

Anyway, yes.

So there is a balance within this paradigm, however.

It is very nuanced, very difficult, and also dangerous as you can go too far with humanity.

So you can go too far down the line to say that this is totally a human creation, and then at that point, you can start to amend it and adjust it because you can say humans are fallible.

This is a human creation.

Or really contextualize it.

Yes.

And that is strictly cultural and it's not applicable for today, and you could go too far down that line.

So that's why you have to be very careful and always have a posture of humility.

But the foundation never changes.

That this is completely inspired, and if you start at that point, that this is completely inspired, infallible, and inerrant, and then you start to tip too forward with this other feature of that there, that God uses human artistry and creativity and ingenuity in order to understand the language, cultural and personal background and context and how that shapes this specific passage.

So in this case, we take that paradigm and we apply it to Galatians.

It was written to Galatia, but it's for us.

So although the Bibles are not written directly to us, it was written to the Church of Galatia, Church of Ephesus, Timothy, blah, blah, blah, whoever it may be.

It is still written for us.

So it has principles, contemporary principles, practical principles that are applicable for us today.

Yeah, unlike the verse we talked about in Timothy from before, like it is useful for us as well.

Exactly.

So it was written in approximately between 40 to 50 AD.

So that was Christ, was 32 AD.

So you're talking about 18 years after.

Or maybe eight, between eight and 18 years.

Quick maths there.

A party of Christ believers, often called the Circumcision Party.

It's actually referenced on some translations.

On some translations, it actually appears in some translations, Circumcision Party.

I didn't know that.

As convinced gentile members of the church whom Paul had brought into faith, that true believers in Christ must follow the Jewish law in its entirety.

So this Circumcision Party are trying to convince believers in Christ, true believers in Christ, that they must follow the Jewish law in its entirety.

And you get groups like that today, called Hebrew Roots.

Have you ever heard of that?

Yes, I have.

You call them another name?

Messialic Jews.

Messialic Jews is another name for them, yeah.

So Paul looks at the relationship dynamics between Jew, Gentile, and follower of Jesus in this here passage.

So it's very much an apologetic work.

It's got missological purposes.

It's got apologetic purposes.

What was that, missological?

Missological purposes.

That is to say that there's, I was just like, missological to say that it's missional.

That does not explain it at all.

That there's an outward focus on discipleship.

So discipleship comes from understanding God's word.

Whenever you understand that, it means you're in a better place to equip and disciple other people.

To just take the great commission.

So that's a missological purpose.

So all of that to say that the paradigm that we talked about is actually addressed.

Paul's paradigm is addressed in the start, the first verse of Galatians.

So we're now in chapter one, that Paul says that, Paul, an apostle, not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God, the father who raised him from the dead.

So we see that this is completely inspiring from God and thus is invaluable and inerrant.

But Paul also recognizes that it is him writing it.

And so the cultural background, the context, his own biases will appear in this passage.

But God and his omnipotence, omniscience knew that and is why Paul was chosen for this because it will aid to what God wants to express.

It's very complicated.

But if you go to Bible Project, they did a whole series on paradigms.

So, but it's all to say that everything is inspired by the word of God, but there is a place for understanding human artistry here, which Paul addresses in this first line.

Anyway, Paul then goes on to say, Grace to you and peace from God, our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age according to the will of our God, and Father, to whom be glory forever and ever.

So, immediately, from the offset, we address the paradigm of who's right in this.

But then, the very next line is the foundation of the gospel.

And this is connected to 1 Corinthians 15,4, which says that, If Christ be not raised from the dead, then our faith is in vain.

Paul is trying to say that the gospel is the foundation, Christ is the foundation, which is expressed several times, Old Testament and New Testament.

And Paul's saying, before we begin and address these cultural issues, these issues of our time, this has all come back to the gospel, which is a principle for us today.

With any given topic, this find unity in the blood of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice for us because it makes this all possible.

Yes.

So verse 6 says that they are turning to a different gospel.

So Paul addresses what the gospel is, and in verse 6 he says that they're the circumcision party, they're turning from the real gospel and going to a different one.

And he says in verses 7 and 9 that they be called an anathema.

And this is a Greek word, and it means to be set up or set apart.

And it has Old Testament allusions to it.

So it alludes to the Old Testament.

That is to say that it was like a sacrifice to an altar would have been set apart.

That is the sacrifice would have been left by God for God to execute judgment.

And in equal measure, what Paul is saying here is that these people who are preaching a false gospel, they are an anathema.

They should be set apart and left up for God's judgment.

So if I'm going to correctly look, this different gospel is basically faith plays a secondary role and it's actually works of circumcision.

Yes.

Is that what they're saying?

Very legalistic, very related to the Pharisees.

Okay.

So imagine the Pharisees of Jesus time accepting Jesus as the Messiah and Christ and entering a relationship, but they then just all the other stuff that we know about the Pharisees.

So the role of the law and their hypocrisy and their legalism and ritualism, all of that.

So they believe in Christ.

Yes.

So it's not justification through faith.

Is that the difference?

No.

It very much works, oriented.

Very much works.

Not full on plagianism, where it's your works alone.

Yeah.

Create the faith, although you do get variations of that.

So there is pockets of these people who believe that in order for faith to exist, it comes solely by law.

Whereas the group that we're specifically talking about, they talked about faith being sustained by works.

So faith was given by Christ, but to sustain it, to maintain your faith and your relationship with God, you had to do the law, obey the law.

Okay.

So yes, verse 10.

For now I'm not, I'm not, oh, what?

I'm not seeking the approval of man, but of God, for if I sought the approval of man, or if I was trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

So that's what Paul says in verse 10, that if you sought after the approval of man, he would not be a follower of Christ.

And I think that we need to be asking ourselves those questions, because constantly we're exhorted in the Bible to not conform to this world.

And I think we should constantly think to ourselves, am I conforming to this world?

Am I looking for the affirmation of man?

And is that my motive behind what I'm doing or saying?

And Jesus also said, you can't serve two masters.

Exactly, and Paul is making it explicitly clear that I am a servant of Christ and Christ alone, and I will be a servant of his word, and I will not deviate away, diminish, or dilute anything the Bible says in order to become more culturally or contextually acceptable, because it would be easier for Paul to say, yeah, you can obey the law, but that was not the gospel.

And Paul's allegiance was to truth, and truth is a person that is Christ.

It gives acts vibes.

So it says in Acts, for I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole council of God.

So that's in like Acts 21.

A chapter later, we see that Paul was preaching to the Jews, so the same circumstance, and he was facing death and imprisonment.

So even when death and imprisonment, even these really harsh circumstances, Paul's allegiance to the truth remained strong.

We've got to ask ourselves, who are we looking at?

Who are we looking to?

And whose affirmation do we seek?

Again, in Galatians, in verse 11 to 24, Paul highlights his testimony and highlights that this is complete divine revelation.

This is not his own words, but instead is the word of God.

The last verses talk about Paul being a persecutor, talk about Paul's vocation given by God and his authorship here, and how Paul's life epitomizes the gospel about a life transformed, that he went from a persecutor to preacher.

Yeah.

And so we transition into chapter two.

People are like, when's it going to shut up?

But I'm doing chapters one to three, and Peter's doing chapters four to six, so I need to hurry up.

Testimony continues, one to ten, and then we get into circumcision, is representative of the Old Covenant, not the New, thus it is not a part of the gospel.

In Galatians 2, 11, it says, we have undergone a spiritual circumcision, cutting off the flesh and the things of this world.

Can you imagine how much of a bummer it would be to have these Judaizers coming to your church in Galatia telling you to get circumcised to be part of the kingdom of God?

Getting circumcised, and then the day after that, Paul sends this letter through.

How much of a bummer would that be?

You only just realized we're not recording this.

We actually don't have a limit.

Like obviously we'll try and get it in a reasonable time, but there is no rush.

Don't worry folks, I won't let Luke talk for too long.

I'd get fed up.

So, actually that would be really depressing.

Like Paul, you couldn't have came a day earlier.

But anyway.

It probably happened.

There probably was a case like that.

So circumcision was symbolic of the covenant that had taken place between God and Abraham.

Abraham had covenant.

And so that's what that represented.

But what Paul is saying is we are not under the law of the old but the new.

And this new covenant is symbolically represented not through circumcision but instead through baptism.

And he is talking about how we have undergone a spiritual circumcision.

That is, our sinful nature has been cut off.

So it's not talking about a physical circumcision.

Cut off from the flesh.

The flesh has been cut off.

But a spiritual circumcision.

He then goes on to say how Peter was given the vocation to preach specifically to the Jews about the gospel, and Paul was given the vocation to preach to the Gentiles.

He then goes on to say in verse 15, We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners, yet we know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but through faith in Jesus Christ.

So we also have believed in Christ Jesus in order to be justified by faith in Christ, and not by works of the law, because by works of the law, no one will be justified.

So in definitive fashion, Paul is specifically saying that it is not by the law, not by the actions that we do, but as instead, it is solely faith in Jesus Christ.

That is what justifies you before God.

He then moves on.

And these verses can be summarized by Ephesians 2, for it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not of yourselves, this any man should boast.

So this is not just something that appears in Galatians, but right throughout the epistles, Paul is emphasizing, it is not by works you have been saved, it is by faith, it is solely Christ and not you.

And this is actually huge to understand, because you got Jehovah's Witnesses, you got Mormonisms, you got Islam, basically any other religion talks about how you need works as a means of attaining salvation.

And it's also in Christian spheres, you've got pietism, legalism, plagianism, these are all beliefs that talk about how you need works in order to attain or sustain salvation.

And this verse alone, including many other verses, this whole book of Galatians completely refutes that.

Yeah, well, and then it kind of comes up again, this topic of like what's required for salvation in the Protestant Reformation, because you got the five solas.

So, well, I'll not use all the other ones, but basically grace alone, through faith alone, Christ alone, to the glory of God alone, and scripture alone.

So it comes up later on.

Sola Scriptura!

Scrolls, Sola Scriptura.

So yeah, and then, oh, although I was not able to give one of my favorite Bible books, this is one of my favorite Bible verses.

Get ready.

Suspense.

I have been crucified with Christ.

It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me, and the life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God.

So this sort of like, to me, this verse in and of itself, people are like, can you lose your salvation?

And this verse to me is like, no, you can't, because how can you be crucified with Christ and then uncrucified?

You know what I mean?

To me, it diminishes the gospel to say you can, you know what I mean?

If you are saved, it is definitive work that is based.

It's not about can man keep ahold of God?

It's about can God keep ahold of man?

Of course, God can.

And so, and this is just, it demonstrates the transformation that takes place whenever you enter a relationship with God.

What has happened?

You have died to yourself.

It is no longer you who live, but is instead, it is Christ.

Christ, through the Spirit, now lives in you, and again, faith in the Son of God.

So there's a level of autonomy here, a faith, a choice that you must make day by day, but an understanding that you, the old self, has passed, behold, everything is new, your new creature, because you've been crucified with Christ on the cross, which is crazy to talk about.

We could talk about that for the whole podcast, but we're not going to.

Chapter three, oh, my last chapter.

Thank goodness.

Verses one to six.

It is by faith we are saved.

We receive the spirit by faith, then our works are done in faith through the spirit.

So there is a place for works.

Works is reflective of faith.

It is reflective of a life transformed.

It is reflective of a life that has been crucified with Christ.

So I give the analogy of whenever you get a fruit tree, whenever you plant a seed, what is going to happen whenever you plant that seed, given everything takes place, like watering and all the processes go along with it?

That is, a tree will come from that naturally.

The inevitability was a tree will come from that and fruit will be born.

In equal measure, whenever you're crucified with Christ, whenever you enter a relationship with Christ, that is like the seed.

And naturally from that, works will come.

Works will reflect the transformation that has taken place in your life.

You get what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Can you come up with a metaphor on the top of your head, like an athlete or something?

No.

No.

Okay.

I was just saying, I was testing you.

I was testing you to see if you could do it.

No.

Because I wanted to, but I couldn't.

But anyway, the tree metaphor is enough.

We see that the Galatians were starting to accredit themselves something.

Something that their salvation or their sanctification, they were starting to say that a part of it was them.

So works and everything, this whole issue of works.

And Paul then goes on to, in the following chapters, to refute this idea.

And he goes in verses 6 to 14 of chapter 3.

He talks about Abraham being an illustration of faith.

So in the Old Testament, there was a necessity to obey the law.

There was a necessity for works.

But again, Paul gives the example of Abraham and how the works came after faith.

Faith preceded the works.

And that is a fundamental distinction to remember, that it is faith that precedes any work.

And the work is an effect of the cause, that is Christ.

So in verse 18, it says, For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise, but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

So the promise with Abraham came first, then the promise with Moses and Israel.

The promise preceded the law.

So this is important.

So Abraham came first, that is representative of faith.

It was through faith that a covenant was made.

Between God and Abraham.

And then the law came after with Moses, and that covenant was then made after.

So this, the promise with Moses and Israel, the promise preceded the law.

If you want to talk about it in covenant terms, you've got the covenant between God and Abraham, the first one, where God promises to give Abraham the ascendance as numerous as the stars in the sky, all those kind of ones.

I think it's Genesis 11 or 12 possibly.

And Abraham cuts up the sacrifices and both parties in agreement are meant to walk up and down between the sacrifices.

But God caused Abraham to fall asleep, and God in the form of a pillory, I think it's a fiery furnace or a pillar of fire, goes up and down by himself, illustrating that this is a one-way covenant.

God's promising to do this for Abraham, and Abraham has to do nothing in return.

It's the covenant of circumcision that comes a few chapters later.

The circumcision is the act that Abraham has to do in order to get God's blessing.

So that's a different type of covenant.

And then the same with the covenant of Sinai with Moses.

It's a two-way covenant.

God says, if, the word if is always used, if Israel keeps my command, so they will be blessed in the land, and if they do not keep my commands, they will be removed in the land, which again is what happens later on in the Bible or in the Old Testament.

So that's just an example of the covenants we were talking about earlier.

Amazing.

So what we're trying to say is, what would happen then if works preceded faith, as opposed to faith preceding works?

So what would happen if the covenant with Muses came first about law, and then the promise with Abraham that came from faith came after that?

And this is what Paul is trying to address here in Galatians, in these verses.

He says, so everything that I just said, Paul says this in verse 18, for if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise, but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

So Paul is emphasizing here that the promise came first with Abraham through faith, and then following that, then came the law, okay?

So it is faith that precedes the law.

And all of that to say that, oh yes, if it came by law, the success of the covenant would be contingent on two parties, God who made it and the man who must keep it.

Thank goodness it's not.

It is by promise that God will save those who accept in faith, the success of this covenant is contingent on Christ alone.

So that is to say that it is solely Christ and his work, and us being crucified in Christ is a result of Christ, of Jesus and what he done.

This is the promise, the promise that preceded the work.

Faith precedes work.

And this is what Paul is trying to say, that it is not you who has to keep it.

It is this covenant is not contingent on you.

Your salvation is not contingent on you.

It is solely about God being able to keep you and your simple acceptance of this fact.

Yeah, I think there's a few more verses of the notes there you want to talk about.

Look, my laptop's at 7%, you've gone on for ages, so I'll take over now, if that's all right.

Yes.

So chapters four to six, there's just a few main things I want to talk about.

Basically, some people, some Christians say I think the law is a bad thing.

It's really not.

Paul talks about this, like, for example, love thy neighbor.

There's tons of class things in the law.

Like, I'm a bit of an Old Testament nerd, so I love that kind of thing.

But I think it's actually forsaken.

Not forsaken, but a lot of Christians say they don't really appreciate it as much as they should.

The law teaches us about the holiness of God and the great moral principles such as love and thy neighbor.

But we know that Christ was the fulfillment of the law.

Matthew 5, 17 through 18.

Do you not think that I have come to abolish the law of prophets?

I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.

Until heaven and earth pass away, not in iota, nor a dot will pass away from the law until it is all accomplished.

So that's Christ himself saying he is the fulfillment of the law, and he exemplifies moral principles and the holiness of God and all these other things and laws to hear their teachings about.

And then another principle Paul talks about is the flesh versus the spirit.

So whenever someone is acting in the flesh, they're acting according to their fleshly desires.

That's basically the things that are inherent to us as sinful human beings, like basically all the sins and just moral uncleanliness.

And then Paul actually wants us to walk as someone who is according to the spirit.

And you can tell these people because Jesus says that.

He said, you should know them by their fruit.

People should be able to tell you're a Christian by the way you're walking in the spirit.

And again, this is talked about in Paul's epistles under the heading of fruits of the spirit.

And there's just a great list of those when you Google that.

There's many of these things that, they're quite self-explanatory.

You can just try to identify those in your own life.

And there's tons of sermons out there you can listen to as well, just about how to show the fruits of the spirit and to show people you're a Christian just by the way you're acting.

And then the last two things is just to bear one another's burdens.

So again, it's the principle that I try to talk about whenever we're in a community group.

We just try and help each other with different struggles.

And make sure we're not trying to defeat sin alone because you'll always lose that battle.

We're too weak as human beings, even with the Holy Spirit, because we can grieve the spirit and not listen to him.

But we have to rely on one another as Christians to help each other through.

And that's why the body of Christ is made up of lots of believers.

And then the final point is just the law of the harvest, which is basically, you shall reap what you sow.

Luke and I just came from a Bible study where we talk about spiritual discipline and the fact that you can't do all these immature things and not study your Bible, not pray, and then expect to be a godly Christian by the age of 40.

That doesn't happen.

You have to live with Christ in your youth, read your Bible in your youth, pray in your youth, if you won't even have a hope of standing strong for Christ.

When trials actually come, or when you have to look after other people, not just yourself, such as your family, your wife, your kids, things like that.

Whenever those things come along, you have to train yourself for that now when it's just you by yourself or else you won't have a hope of being able to do that later on.

If you can't look after yourself, you won't be able to look after other people.

So that's just the law of the harvest.

You'll reap what you sow.

Do you care to summarize a little quickly?

Oh crap, I feel like I'm spooking so much.

You have.

Looks very short.

Yes.

So, Galatians.

We started off by laying down the context.

We gave a little bit of a hermeneutic or an approach to the Bible, a paradigm that is to say that the Bible is inspired by God and that is the foundation, but also that God has decided to use human ingenuity and artistry to convey that which he wants us to know.

Galatians was not written to us, but it was written for us, and we have illustrated some of the practical things that we can take from that.

That will certainly help with regards to apologetics and dealing with people who believe in this whole issue of faith and works.

And that is literally the summary.

What Paul is trying to convey here is the whole issue of faith and works.

Paul is trying to address what is our role with regards to salvation.

Is there anything that we do within the process of the gospel?

Is there a synergism?

That is to say that does us being able to do something result in us being able to attain salvation or keep salvation?

And Paul refutes this.

Paul says that the gospel is solely predicated on faith.

That is, you must accept Christ.

And that it is Christ who does absolutely everything.

And Paul then demonstrates that right throughout.

And he goes back to Abraham and Moses and talks about the laws and the promises that were given.

Paul addresses how we have been crucified with Christ.

Paul addresses some of the fruits of the spirit and what happens whenever you enter this life of transformation.

And honestly, it's a hard bit to summarize because there's so much in it.

But again, like always, we hope that this is give you an appetite or a taste to go and read Galatians for yourself.

Because obviously, that's we've scraped the surface.

And you can go like everything.

You can go read books, podcast sermons, and we would encourage you to do so.

Like always, this is just a springboard for you to go and explore this topic further.

But yeah, we hope you enjoyed it.

And we will see you on the next podcast.

Adios.

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